Not included in the collection of essays. Artifacts of antiquity
In the Mexican city of Acambaro there is a very remarkable museum that is worth a visit if you find yourself in Mexico. The museum, opened on October 9, 2000, houses a fairly extensive collection of clay figurines depicting dinosaurs and other ancient dinosaurs that, according to official chronology, went extinct 65 million years ago. This remarkable collection raised a lot of questions and made seasoned professors of history and paleontology scratch their turnips in bewilderment.
The history of the figures began in July 1944. It was on one of the hot summer days that Waldemar Julsrud, a native of Germany, walked along the slope of the El Toro hill on horseback in search of antiques, for Waldemar was very interested in archeology, while at the same time being engaged in the hardware trade. The merchant's attention was attracted by clay fragments and ceramics protruding from the soil of the hill. Julsrud carefully examined the finds, concluding that they did not belong to any of the archaeological cultures known in the area, such as the Chupicauro culture. Therefore, the enterprising Voldemar armed himself with the required amount of money, his knowledge and the desire to know the unknown, and hires the local peasant Odilon Tinajero for archaeological excavations. The merchant promised the peasant to pay 1 peso for each figurine. The excavations of the El Toro hill did not turn out to be massive, but Odilon’s thoroughness and accuracy more than paid off: he was extremely careful in removing artifacts from the ground, gluing together the broken figurines before bringing them to his employer. This is how the famous collection of figurines from Acambaro gradually appeared, of which there are up to 37 thousand units.
In the modest premises of the Acambaro Museum, dozens and hundreds of figurines of prehistoric creatures are crowded onto the shelves. None of the sculptures is the same as the other, and they are often made by open firing, or less often - carved from hard stone. Among the finds of Woldemar and his family are also masks, ceramics, tools made of jade and obsidian, which is typical of archaeological cultures and ancient civilizations of Mesoamerica, human skulls, mammoth bones and horse teeth from the Ice Age.
But it was the outlandish, bizarre figures of dinosaurs that served as food for a huge number of discussions on the topic of the coexistence of humans and ancient lizards together. Scientists began to scream that Voldemar and his peasants were arrogant hoaxers who allegedly wanted to gain fame and glory in a godforsaken Mexican town. And it’s clear: the fact of the existence of a human-dinosaur refutes the competent research of scientists of all stripes, creating for them an indigestible collapse of the accepted worldview paradigm.
In 1947 Julsrud officially published a study of his findings, but scientists did not even want to pay attention to such work.
The hype nevertheless arose and in 1950 the American journalist Lowell Harmer rushed to Acambaro. With him, Julsrud carried out a test excavation and Harmer, without keeping him waiting long, took several photographs of the excavated dinosaur figurines. These photos were published on March 25, 1951 in the Los Angeles Times magazine.
Following Lowell Harmer, another journalist, William Russell, rode in hot pursuit. His article about the amazing discovery was published in Fote in the same 1951.
This allowed Waldemar to finally draw the necessary attention to his mysterious findings and ask a bunch of questions addressed to the scientists who remained silent. And in 1952, samples from the collection were examined by the first professional scientist, Charles Dipeso. Laboratory tests of several figurines did not give clear results, which convinced the professor that the findings were falsified. Apparently, Dipeso was not satisfied with the research results, and he personally studied the Julsrud collection. The quality of the sculptures, their plasticity and artistic features amazed the scientist. He wished to purchase several figurines for the Amérida Foundation museum, where he worked at the time. In the United States, Charles Dipeso published several articles in which he firmly asserted the forgery of artifacts. You can quite easily find this information - the ghost of Dipeso's articles still circulating on the Internet - claiming that local residents were allegedly engaged in the production of such figurines, gleaning from what they saw in museums, movies and comics. Two important questions arise: why should Indian peasants, busy in the fields or with household chores, spend a lot of time and effort producing clay sculptures that cost 1-2 pesos each? And why did Professor Dipeso behave so unusually, declaring the finds a fake, and then deciding to visit the collection and purchase a couple of samples? If they bring you a fake, and you are 100% sure of it, then you will never waste a minute visiting the “hoaxer.” Probably, doubts about his own conclusions settled in the scientist’s mind...
The reaction of local Mexican authorities was immediate. An official investigation found that there was not a single person engaged in pottery production in the Acambaro area. This information is contained in Statement No. 1109 of Acambaro Mayor Juan Carranza. The peasants simply did not have the necessary stoves and such a huge amount of firewood for firing products, also taking into account the individuality of each figure and their excellent execution.
Less than two years had passed since the arrival of Professor Charles Dipeso when ardent criticism of the Julsrud collection reached its peak. The Mexican government was forced to intervene, and a delegation of specialists arrived in Acambaro for more accurate research. Scientists visited the excavations and verified the antiquity of the artifacts found. But as soon as the scientific team returned home, they made a statement about the falsification of the figurines. Just like Charles Dipeso.
During the 1950s and 60s. Acambaro was visited by the historian Charles Hapgood, as well as the famous writer Erla Stanley Gardner, who had considerable knowledge in the field of forensics and field archeology. Both historian Charles Hapgood and writer Erla Stanley have expressed the opinion that Julsrud's finds are originals. In addition, radiocarbon dating of the samples was carried out. He showed the age of the finds to 4000 BC. The samples underwent additional testing, and the initial results remained unchanged.
An interesting breakthrough occurred in 1972. Arthur Young submitted two figurines for thermoluminescence analysis, which established the date at 2700 BC. Dr. Raney reviewed the data and agreed with the readings, stating that the error was less than 10%. However, after some time, having learned that the figures depicted dinosaurs, Rainey pushed back from his words, stating that the results were distorted and the age of the finds did not exceed 30 years... Does this remind you of anything?
Over the years, the public forgot about the Dzhulsrud collection; everyone was satisfied with several statements about falsification and forgery. In 1964, Voldemar dies, his finds remain ownerless, most of the large specimens disappear in an unknown direction.
Despite the long downtime, as I said above, the collection is huge and there is barely enough space to accommodate it in the museum premises. It includes images of various human races: Negroids, Mongoloids, Europioids. More than a thousand figurines are sculptures of dinosaurs, made in detail: the presence of spines, bone plates, roughness and folds of skin. How could they be sculpted without knowing living examples? Among the lizards you can recognize the ankylosaur, brachiosaurus, iguanodon, tyrannosaurus, and also the plesiosaur. What is more surprising is that there are figurines of dinosaurs of previously unknown species. Yes, and official paleontology itself says that at the moment only 10% of prehistoric animals are known, other species have either not yet been found, or their remains have been completely destroyed. The collection includes winged lizards, they like to call them “dragons,” dinosaurs that carry eggs, and figures of bizarre creatures that inspire deep horror.
These figurines fundamentally contradict the theory of evolution and the entire chronology of life on our planet. The figurines, neatly detailed, were made from life by our ancestors. It turns out that dinosaurs lived on earth not 65 million years ago, but quite recently - in a historical context.
Academicians, if you ask them a piquant question, will categorically reject everything I have written here.
Naturally, several versions of the story arise. The first is that man lived with dinosaurs millions of years ago, preserved his knowledge and brought it closer to us through plasticity in clay. Or the second option, more reasonable. Some types of dinosaurs lived together with people 10-15 thousand years ago. I argue this by saying that there are finds of lizard and human bones in the same pile, although I had difficulty finding this information. At the same time, official science stubbornly keeps silent about such finds or simply ignores them. No one has ever taken into account such global catastrophes as the Great Flood. The Flood tsunami could easily “step over” the plains and low mountains of Mesoamerica, destroy all living things, and grind up layers of soil. Then it becomes clear why the bones of dinosaurs sometimes lie higher than the mortal remains of people, and prints of human feet or ancient tools are dug up in the Precambrian layers.
My theory regarding the Acambaro figurines is unpleasant to specialists from official scientific organizations. But I believe that a true researcher should consider all the facts and findings and not dismiss everything outright using the cliché words “fake” or “fake.” The choice is yours, dear reader.
Thousands of figurines from the collection of the late Waldemar Julsrud still haunt lovers of “alternative history”: many of them depict lizards of the Mesozoic era. This means that people who knew how to sculpt and fire clay lived during the time of dinosaurs, or the dinosaurs themselves survived to this day and were captured by the ancient Mexicans. The collection also includes figures with obvious Egyptian features. Julsrud bought them from locals for pesos apiece starting in 1944, and pesos were a pretty good amount at the time (a 1-peso coin contained 16.5 grams of 720-karat silver).
Some of the Acambaro figurines.
As usual, mystery lovers “forget” that the figurines from Acambaro and all other circumstances were studied in June 1952 by Charles Corradino Di Peso, a leading expert in the archeology of Western Mexico. What he found out on the spot deserves to be quoted verbatim:
“Over the past eight years, we have heard more than once about the extensive collection of ancient figurines of animals and people found in the vicinity of Acambaro, a city in the Mexican state of Guanajuato. Señor Waldemar Julsrud has somewhere around 32,000 such artifacts in his private collection. Among these are clay figurines - images of brontosaurs, tyrannosaurs, stegosaurs, trachodons, dimetrodons and other dinosaurs of the Mesozoic era. His collection also includes many modern species, for example, figurines of cows, elephants, horses, hippopotamuses, rabbits and dogs. Even more incredible is the large number of miniature Egyptian sarcophagi...
I came to Acámbaro in June and studied the Julsrud collection. The examination cast serious doubt on the antiquity of the figurines... None of them were spoiled by the patina or the deposit of soluble salts on the surface that distinguish truly ancient finds from the area. According to the owner, none of the figures were cleaned with acid. The edges of the depressions that form eyes, mouths or scales are crisp and new throughout. There was no dirt in any of the cracks. In most cases, the figures were broken where protruding parts were attached to the bodies; it seems that the manufacturers deliberately broke off legs, necks, tails, etc., to create the impression of antiquity, and not one of the broken off parts was lost. Moreover, none of the fracture surfaces were smoothed. In the entire collection of 32,000 specimens, not one was damaged by a shovel, hoe or pick. This suggests either that the people who dug them up have excavation techniques beyond anything known to professional archaeologists, or that they knew where to dig in advance. However, what I saw directly on site showed that they did not have the proper skills and experience in excavation, not to mention the caution.
The diggers, father and son, invited me to the place - the real ancient ruins of the Tarascans [now called Purépecha - M.G.]. For test excavations, they chose the southwest corner of a room about 9 meters long and 4 meters wide. I spent two days watching them dig. During the excavations, they broke many real ancient objects. On the second day they dug up the cache, and I examined its contents on the spot. The cache had recently been established by means of an inclined hole made through the black soil filling the ancient room. The soil layer is approximately 1.3 m deep. It contains real tarascan shards, obsidian blades, three-legged grain grinders (metates), grating stones (manos), etc., but our diggers were not interested in these items.
In creating the hiding place, local residents inadvertently dug about 15 cm below the black soil into the sterile red soil - the original earthen floor of the ancient room. While filling up their hole, they mixed the red soil with the black soil. Thus, finding the site of their original excavation was very easy. Trying to age the figurines, they filled their recesses and cracks with earth - the same mixture with which they filled the hole they had just made. This was also evidenced by small pieces of limestone knocked off the stone walls of the ancient room during the digging of a hole. To top it all off, fingerprints were visible in the fresh soil that had been filled into small depressions. These facts, plus the presence of fresh animal droppings in the soil used to fill the hole, definitely prove that the figurines were placed in the cache recently.
Further investigation revealed that a family living in the vicinity of Acámbaro makes clay figurines during the winter months when their fields do not need cultivation. Ideas for what to depict could have been borrowed from the local cinema, as well as from the many newspapers and comic books sold on the streets. A library and a school are available to the townspeople: the population of Acambaro is about 20,000 people. A train runs three times a day to take residents to Mexico City, where they can visit museums, including the National Museum with its remarkable collection of Egyptian art. Some examples from the collection of Señor Julsrud clearly show that one of the local figurine makers attended an exhibition dedicated to Egypt" (American Antiquity, October 1953).
The second wave of hype around the figurines arose in 1969, when the recently invented method of thermoluminescent dating was tested on them. The first experiment gave ancient dates, causing delight among fans of "alternative history", but subsequent studies using more advanced equipment showed that the figurines were fired within 400 months before 1969 (that is, not earlier than 1936).
Lit.: DiPeso, C. The Clay Figurines of Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico // American Antiquity, Vol. 18, No. 4, 1953, p. 388-389; DiPeso, C. The Clay Monsters of Acambaro // Archaeology, Vol. 6, No. 2, 1953, p. 111-114; Pezatti, Alex. Mystery at Acambaro, Mexico // Expedition, Vol. 47 No. 3, 2005, p. 7-8; Hapgood, Charles. Mystery in Acambaro. Brattleboro, 1973; Carriveau, G. W. & Han, M. C. Thermoluminescent Dating and the Monsters of Acambaro // American Antiquity, Vol. 41 No. 4, 1976, p. 497-500; Willis, Ronald. Ancient gallery of Akambaro // Technology for Youth, 1971, No. 10, pp. 56-59.
In 1944, the Danish businessman Waldemar Julsrud, driving around his Mexican possessions (the state of Guanajuato), noticed a strange figure on the side of the road washed out by the rains. Intrigued, Julsrud, after conducting large-scale excavations, discovered 33,000 (according to other sources - more than 37,000) ancient works of art. 2,600 figurines mystically represented images of dinosaurs that went extinct millions of years ago...
In the dry Mexican soil, Julsrud found: human skulls, obsidian and jade tools, masks, Ice Age horse teeth, skeleton, several types of figurines and figurines (made of clay, stone, ceramics). In addition to dinosaurs (the species identity of many remains a mystery to this day), unknown artists depicted All races living on Earth (from Caucasians to Mongoloids).
The official reaction to the opening of Dzhulsrud was, to put it mildly, cool. For the first ten years he was completely ignored. In the 50s, when it became impossible not to notice the discovery of thousands of figurines, scientists accused the Dane of forgery and falsification of artifacts.
Could Julsrud have prepared a hoax of such magnitude? No! In Acámbaro there would not be enough human and natural resources (clay, wood) to support the archaeological entrepreneur's trick. The lack of human resources could be solved by building a factory (which is incredibly difficult to hide from the Mexican authorities), but carrying out a long-term secret supply of all the necessary materials to a poor area of Mexico? – this exceeds the capabilities of anyone, even the most gifted businessman. The authorities of the state of Guanajuato interviewed local residents in 1952, according to them, in Acambaro they had not produced any clay products for hundreds of years. Or does anyone seriously believe that Julsrud brought thousands of figurines from Europe, which, moreover, he buried 3-4 meters underground?
The Dane's collection consists not only of clay artifacts, but also stone sculptures that show signs of long-term erosion, which are almost impossible to fake. In the late 60s, radiocarbon and thermoluminescent dating of figurines began to be carried out. All examinations confirmed the ancient age of the finds (no less than 2,000 BC). One “independent” research group established the date of creation of the collection as accurately as possible - 2700 BC, each sample was checked 18 times. When scientists learned about the origin of the samples under study, they immediately changed their decision, reporting “problems” with the equipment, and named the new age of the artifacts - 30 years.
In the second half of the 20th century, dinosaur figurines were found more than once in Acambaro, like two peas in a pod, similar in style to the Dane’s finds. Rumor has it that Julsrud's 30,000-item collection is only part of the gigantic library of the underground city located in the hillside of El Toro. However, El Toro is in no hurry to reveal his secrets...
Acambaro, a small town (approx. 60 thousand population) in the Mexican state of Guanajuato, located only 250 km. east of Mexico City. Unremarkable either in production terms or even in terms of the history of the Conquest (tourist routes pass by it), it attracted the attention of an amateur archaeologist from Germany, Waldemar Julsrud, in his time (40s of the 20th century), thanks to the fact that in its vicinity there was a site of the ancient Indian tribe of Tarascans (named by the Spaniards, the real name is Purepecha).
This tribe was famous for waging an effective protracted war with the Aztecs, about which the latter left records. In addition, it was one of the first tribes in the region that was fluent in craftsmanship (in particular, the manufacture of ceramic products, metal processing techniques and stone cutting). The Purépecha did not keep or did not leave their own records, so the main source of documented knowledge about them is the chronicles of the Aztecs and the treatise of the “Relacion de Michoacan” of 1538, a Spanish Franciscan monk. You can also read about purepecha.
During his research, Julsrud discovered pottery in the form of figurines in the El Toro hill area. Having hired local residents, he carried out excavations, discovering an area of 80 km in the vicinity of the hill. only at a depth of 1.5 meters there were depressions in which there were up to 30-40 figurines and other items made of baked clay. No burials or buildings were found. The figurines were made by hand sculpting and subsequent firing from different types of clay. We read about making a clay product; after all, this is a rather labor-intensive task.
In total, about 35 thousand of them were discovered during 7 years of excavations, and a significant part was damaged. Surprisingly, there were figures up to 1.5 m long. Julsrud spent a huge fortune (70 thousand pesos) paying local residents for the work, but still for a whole figurine he spent an insignificant amount from 1 to 3 pesos. During his lifetime, the collection was not popular, it was declared a fake, and Waldemar himself went bankrupt without receiving the fame he deserved. Many of the figurines were lost again or stolen, becoming objects of sale on the black market, and only thanks to the efforts of the city administration, subsequent researchers and enthusiasts, the collection was partially preserved (about 25 thousand items) and found refuge in a recently opened museum. An inventory was taken and an exhibition was organized. This is how the town of Acambaro gained worldwide fame (or at least fame in the circles of historians and archaeologists).
In 2007, the program was released "Unknown Mexico", in one of the episodes of which (“Mexican Dinotopia”) the Waldemar Julsrud Museum in Acambaro and its collection were shown in detail. The trip to Mexico itself was organized by a group of Russian researchers - historians, archaeologists and physicists, and the film was released as part of Andrei Sklyarov's III Millennium Foundation program. Further, the characteristics and local analysis of some figurines from the collection were published on the website of the Laboratory of Alternative History and in articles by one of the expedition participants, candidate of historical sciences - Andrei Zhukov. In general, you can find a lot of contradictory materials and unfounded hypotheses, especially on sites dedicated to hoaxes or alternative history , and there are few scientifically proven facts. However, it is the latter that needs to be given attention first.
What is the collection?
The most fully presented photo collections can be found.
These are stone and mostly ceramic products that have both direct everyday use and depict scenes from everyday life and various types of mammals from the last Ice Age, and most importantly, various types of dinosaurs. There are land-based, waterfowl, and flying dinosaurs. They are often run by people. It is thanks to the latter circumstance that the collection is of interest and also gives rise to criticism in terms of its reliability.
Collection Research:
Julsrud himself published a book in Spanish in 1947, Enigmas del pasado, in which, in addition to researching Tarascan culture, he spoke about his collection. For those who are interested and who speak Spanish, read the BOOK. In the 50s Journalists' reports on the discovery were published - Lowell Hammer ("Los Angeles Times", March 25, 1951), William Russell ("Fate", March, 1952, June, 1953).
And finally, in 1952, the famous historian and researcher of Mesoamerican cultures Charles Dipeso decided to verify the authenticity of Valdemar’s statements and came to Acambaro. His findings were disappointing. Dipeso claimed that after examining 32,000 objects from the collection (and in 4 hours), he came to the conclusion that the iconography of the artifacts, especially the images of eyes and lips on the figurines, were modern in nature. In addition, Dipeso, citing information from a certain illegal dealer in Mexican antiquities, wrote that the entire collection was made by one Mexican family who lived in Acambaro and was engaged in the production of these crafts in the winter months, in their free time from agricultural work. And the falsifiers allegedly gleaned information about dinosaurs from films, comics and books from the local library.
(DiPeso, C. The Clay Figurines of Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico // American Antiquity, Vol. 18, No. 4, 1953;
DiPeso, C. The Clay Monsters of Acambaro // Archaeology, Vol. 6, No. 2, 1953).
That is, Dipeso's statements were based on visual inspection of the figurines and rumors. However, his unquestioned authority put an end to Julsrud's career.
In 1954, a group of historians and anthropologists led by the director of the Department of Pre-Hispanic Monuments of the National Institute of Anthropology and History of Mexico (INAH), Dr. Eduardo Noguero, conducted control excavations at a depth of 1.84 m in a randomly selected area of the El Toro hill. Inspection of the artifacts confirmed their antiquity . However, after returning to Mexico City, in a strange way, the collection was again declared a fake, as not fitting into the official historical concept.
In 1955, a young scientist, historian and anthropologist Charles Hapgood independently conducted excavations under the house of a local resident, during which he discovered about 40 figurines similar to the Julsrud collection. In the 60s After the advent of a new dating method in archeology - radiocarbon dating - he analyzed samples using it and came to the conclusion that they date back to at least 1500 BC. Each sample was tested 18 times. He also published a book at his own expense - “The Secret of Acambaro” (1972). In the 70s A thermoluminescent analysis was also carried out, which also showed the authenticity of the samples, but its results were later declared falsified. And all because of the ill-fated dinosaurs.
In general, thermoluminescence analysis is considered to be quite accurate for dating ceramics, but its disadvantage is that it requires strict conditions to be met. It is advisable to carry out research on the sample on site, because changes in background radiation distort the results. In addition, it does not indicate the time of manufacture of the product, but the time of its last heat treatment (firing, fire, etc.).
Has there been any research into figurines recently? Certainly.
You can read about the analysis of the figurines brought during the expedition of the III Millennium Foundation to Mexico and see the expert opinion.
About thermoluminescence analysis by Gary W. Carriveau and Mark C. Han. (1976) read and Angel Ramirez Luna in 2006.
Conclusion: the material used during the research or the methods used do not allow us to reliably confirm the authenticity of the collection.
A new method has recently been proposed for dating ceramics - rehydroxylation dating. Perhaps he will help dot all the i’s.
About the method in English and Russian.
Conclusion:
In the entire history from discovery to study of the collection, several things are surprising:
Firstly, the fact that eminent researchers, in an attempt to refute the authenticity of the collection, appeal to the theory of a “conspiracy of local residents”, who allegedly hand-made figurines between agricultural work in order to sell them to an unlucky amateur archaeologist. The expediency of such income is called into question as soon as we learn about the scale of the collection (more than 30 thousand), the difficulties of its production in principle and in a short time, the difficulties of deliberate forgery and secret burial in an area of 80 km near the hill and in other places with insignificant enterprise profit - 1 peso for a whole figurine. In addition, the figures are not of the same type; they are made of high quality, in different styles and from different materials, which you cannot get in local quarries. Question: why? If we don’t even know an example of a resident who got rich from selling figurines, i.e. practical way out of this story, was the goal of these residents to refute the theory of evolution and historical concepts? The “conspiracy” has short hands.
Secondly, as soon as, after carrying out various methods of analyzing the figurines at different times, the researchers confirmed their authenticity, after a few days or months they unanimously abandoned their conclusions, citing the error of the method or the quality of the material unacceptable for analysis. Why? But because the collection itself contradicts the official historical concept, i.e. "this cannot be, because this cannot be." And few people at the scene are in a hurry to carry out new excavations, although there are no obstacles to this, to conduct an independent examination.
Thirdly, the collection itself is truly amazing. How could the same Tarascans or their predecessors know about dinosaurs? Moreover, they knew so much that they were even ahead of modern scientific knowledge (that dinosaurs could rise using their hind limbs, that many species had plates on their backs). Knowledge not only confirms the latest scientific discoveries of paleontology, but also complements them. Dinosaurs would hardly have been able to survive the Ice Age and coexist with people, and as pets. This means that this knowledge has been transmitted and preserved since more ancient times, about which we cannot say anything confidently and confirm our guesses.
The logical connection of the Acambaro collection with another collection - Ica stones, which is also considered a fake at the present stage, is very indicative. True, Ica stones were discovered in Peru, and here no conspiracy theory holds water.
The concentration of finds in a relatively limited area near the hills of El Toro and El Cibo, which have long been considered sacred by local residents, indicates the possible concentration of knowledge for the purpose of its preservation. The figures were made in different places, but are found in one place. The only question is: where did this knowledge come from and what should we do with it?
In the book by G.A. Sidorov has some very interesting lines dedicated to the collection of clay figurines of Waldemar Dzhulsrud.
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Meet – Waldemar Dzulsrud Collection. « Waldemar Julsrud was a native of Germany who moved to distant Mexico at the end of the 19th century. He settled in the small town of Acambaro, 300 kilometers north of Mexico City. There he started his own business - trading in hardware - which brought him quite a decent income. And in his spare time, Julsrud was interested in archeology. In the early twenties of the 20th century, together with Padre Martinez, he discovered underground cultural monuments of Chupikauro, eight miles from El Tors Hill.
Waldemar Julsrud was well versed in Mexican antiquities and therefore immediately realized that the finds on El Toro Hill could not be attributed to any culture known at that time. Julsrud began his own research. True, not being a professional scientist, at first he acted very simply - he hired a local peasant named Odilon Tinajero, promising to pay him one peso (then equal to about 12 cents) for each complete artifact. Therefore, Tinajero was very careful when excavating, and glued accidentally broken objects together before taking them to Julsrud. This is how the Julsrud collection began to take shape, the addition of which was continued by Voldemar’s son Carlos Julsrud, and then by his grandson Carlos II.
In the end, Dzhulsrud’s collection amounted to several tens of thousands of artifacts - according to some sources there were 33.5 thousand, according to others - 37 thousand!"(SID, p. 124).
Rice. 1. Communication between dinosaur and man
Below this certificate is Fig. 1 (SID, p. 124) with the author’s signature and remark: “ Obviously, dinosaurs were once pets of an ancient race" This interested me very much, and I decided to read about this man in more detail. On the Internet I found the following information: “ But the most interesting event in his life happened twenty years later, in July 1944. Early in the morning, he was horseback riding along the slopes of El Toro Hill and suddenly saw several hewn stones and fragments of ceramics protruding from the soil. After examining the strange finds, Julsrud came to the conclusion that they could not be attributed to any known archaeological culture. The hardware merchant decided to start his own archaeological research and hired a local peasant named Odilon Tinajero, promising to pay him one peso for each artifact he discovered. Therefore, Ginajero was extremely careful during excavations, and accidentally glued broken objects together before taking them to the employer. This is how the famous Julsrud collection began to take shape, which was first replenished by Waldemar’s son, Carlos Julsrud, and then by his grandson, Carlos Jr.
Ultimately, Dzhulsrud’s collection began to number about 35 thousand artifacts. These are mainly figurines made from various types of clay, sculpted by hand and processed by open firing. The second category is stone sculptures. The third is ceramics. The most interesting fact was that in the entire collection there was not a single repeating copy of the sculpture. The sizes of the figures vary from ten centimeters to one meter in height and one and a half in length. In addition, the collection contains musical instruments, masks, and tools made of obsidian and jade found there. Along with the artifacts, several human skulls, a mammoth skeleton and the teeth of an Ice Age horse were discovered during excavations.
In Dzhulsrud's collection there were many anthropomorphic figurines representing almost the complete set of racial types of humanity - Mongoloids, Negroids, Caucasians, Polynesian type and others. But this was not the main sensation. The most mysterious thing was that approximately 2,600 figurines were images of dinosaurs. Moreover, the variety of types of fossil lizards causes true amazement. Among them there are species that are easily recognizable and well known to paleontological science: brachiosaurus, iguanodon, tyrannosaurus rex, pteranodon, ankylosaur, plesiosaur and many others. There are a huge number of figurines that modern scientists cannot identify, including winged “dragon dinosaurs.” But the most striking thing is that the collection contains a significant number of images of humans along with dinosaurs of various species. The collection also includes now extinct mammals - the American camel and horse of the Ice Age, giant monkeys of the Pleistocene period and others».
It is clear to me that Waldemar Julsrud came across an ancient museum on the history of mankind, where the exhibits were represented by clay figurines. In some of my articles, I already wrote that archaeologists sometimes dug up human skulls in excellent preservation. My reading of the inscriptions on them showed that these were museum exhibits, specimens prepared for long periods of storage many thousands of years ago. So random finds of ancient museums are a fact that has not yet found not only an explanation, but even a mention in the archaeological literature. And only because ancient people, according to modern archaeological concepts, are interpreted as terrible primitives, incapable of museum activities.
As I can judge from personal experience, the discoverer, instead of awards and honors, faces obstruction and defamation. What was the fate of Jelsrud himself?
The history of Dzhulsrud itself
« It was this component of the finds from Acambaro that served as the reason for the long history of accreditation of the collection and its owner. In many ways, this is understandable, because the fact of coexistence and close interaction between man and dinosaur not only refutes the linear evolutionism of the theory of the origin of species on earth, but comes into irreconcilable contradiction with the entire modern officially accepted worldview paradigm. When in 1947 Julsrud published a book about figurines at his own expense, official science did not show any interest in it. And in the future, recognition of the collection came with great difficulty.
In 1950, American journalist Lowell Harmer came to Acambaro. He was present at the excavations at El Toro Hill and even photographed Julsrud with the newly excavated dinosaur figurines. Following him, Los Angeles journalist William Russell published material about the excavations of Julsrud with a photo report. In his publication, Russell indicated that the artifacts were removed from a depth of 5-6 feet (one and a half meters) and many of the objects were entwined with plant roots, so he did not have the slightest doubt about the authenticity of the finds. These publications played a role in popularizing Waldemar Julsrud's collection and broke the conspiracy of academic silence.
The thesis about counterfeits was officially refuted by the Mexican authorities in 1952. Then the superintendent of the National Irrigation Institute, Francisco Sánchez, said that he could unequivocally state the absence of any ceramic production in Acámbaro. The mayor of the city of Acambaro, Juan Carranza, also issued an official statement saying that, based on the results of a special investigation carried out in the area, it turned out that there is not a single person in the city and its surroundings who would be engaged in the production of such products. History professor Ramon Rivera interviewed local elders and learned that over the previous hundred years, nothing resembling large-scale ceramic production had ever occurred in the Acambaro area. However, it is clear to any sane person that no one will make thousands and thousands of figurines and bury them deep in the ground to prank the public. The collection has its own peculiarities. Not only does it not contain a single duplicate, but the ceramic figurines are made from different types of clay, in different styles and with varying degrees of skill. To produce the figurines would require a huge amount of wood, which in the arid and treeless region of Acámbaro was always extremely expensive. In addition, such a large-scale production with open firing simply could not go unnoticed.
By 1954, criticism of the Dzhulsrud collection, initiated by ill-wishers, reached its maximum, and this led to the fact that official science finally showed interest in it. A delegation of scientists headed by the Director of the Department of Pre-Hispanic Monuments of the National Institute of Anthropology and History, Dr. Eduarde Nokvera, went to Acambaro. In addition to him, the group included three other anthropologists and historians. This official delegation itself chose the site for control excavations on the hillside. They took place in the presence of many witnesses from respected local citizens. After literally several hours of work, a large number of figurines similar to the samples from the Dzhulsrud collection were found. According to the capital's archaeologists, examination of the found artifacts clearly demonstrated their antiquity. Members of the group congratulated Julsrud on his outstanding discovery, and two of them promised to publish the results of the trip in scientific journals. However, three weeks passed, and upon returning to Mexico City, Dr. Nokwera presented a report claiming that the Julsrud collection was a fraud because it contained dinosaur figurines».
So, the first discovery was made in 1944, during the war, and 6 years may not have been before it. But 10 years later, in 1954, official science showed interest in the collection. Quite fast in my opinion. In Europe this period is twice as long.
"Exposure" by Dzhulsrud. « Everything was complicated in the future; there were always those who wanted to expose Dzhulsrud. Meanwhile, experts from the United States have established that the age of the figurines ranges from two to five thousand years. The collection contains a large number of stone figures, all of which show signs of severe erosion. It's almost impossible to fake it. It turned out that the Indians had considered the El Toro hill sacred since ancient times. Nowadays, local residents claim that there are four tunnels that lead deep into the hill. There seems to be an underground city of some ancient civilization hiding there. But people diligently hide the entrances to these tunnels, because they are afraid that their native places will become the subject of unnecessary increased interest of strangers. And the American John Tierney, who has been studying materials from Acambaro for almost forty years, is convinced that the collection collected by Julsrud is only part of the huge “library” accompanying the tomb. He believes that the main component of the El Toro monument should be a burial, which has not yet been found».
It is clear why the Indians considered the hill sacred - these were the remnants of a different, pre-Indian civilization. And in that civilization there could well have been some museums that preserved the memory of much more ancient times, cultures and ancient history.
Authenticity of the collection according to the scientist. « It should be noted that back in 1945, the director of archeology of the Acambaro zone at the National Museum of Anthropology in Mexico City, Carlos Perez, said that the authenticity of the items in the Julsrud collection is beyond doubt. Moreover, he personally had the opportunity to study dinosaur figurines found at the sites of some ancient settlements in Mexico. In 1978, federal police confiscated 3,300 figurines from two antiquities hunters, similar in style to the Julsrud collection. Among them were nine dinosaur figures. But they were all found on the El Chivo hill, also located near Acambaro.
To claim that the Indians of Mesoamerica lived side by side with dinosaurs would be somewhat reckless. It is more logical to assume the following. Archeology is hardly an activity that only our contemporaries are interested in. Digging up ancient Roman and Etruscan ancient monuments from the ground was very popular in medieval Italy. It is known that subjects of the Egyptian pharaohs were not averse to delving into the thickness of the sand in search of something very ancient. It is possible that their contemporaries in Mexico could also engage in paleontology, and were even quite successful in this. So much so that students in schools made figurines of clay dinosaurs during lessons, sometimes fantasizing and depicting fossil lizards together with people. When a certain ruler who patronized knowledge died, thousands and thousands of clay figurines and much more were placed in his burial. Among other things, there were figurines of dinosaurs... But this, of course, is only one of the hypotheses"(BOOM).
So, even the journalist believes that the figurines are a figment of the imagination... of schoolchildren who lived 4 thousand years ago near present-day Mexico City and carried out paleontological research on a much larger scale than all modern academic science combined. Or those who had such a rich and precise imagination that they could be called clairvoyants. I believe that both assumptions are very exotic.
As usual, instead of starting to study the mysterious phenomenon and try to understand the purpose of the figurines, both scientists and journalists are simply forming arbitrary hypotheses ad hoc.
Rice. 2. Aquatic dinosaur and a man sitting on it
Start of research
I have my own research methods, namely epigraphic ones. I believe that if you read some of the inscriptions on these images, they can shed light on the purpose of these figures. But first, however, you should make sure that there are some inscriptions on the photographs given.
So, I'm looking at the image in Fig. 2 (SID, p. 125) and I see that some words are written against the background of a dinosaur’s head. The fact that the inscription is not located on the figure itself does not bother me: for now my task is to understand that some letters accompany images of dinosaurs. And I have no doubt that these are Russian letters and Russian words.
The inscription, although low-contrast, was quite readable. I read the words YARA KAT, where the first word is painfully familiar to me, while the second I see for the first time. Of course, the word is not written very clearly, errors in the interpretation of the letters are possible, but if this kind of inscription exists on other figures, the incorrect reading can be corrected. The word KAT is today the root of the verb RIDE, so the word must mean some kind of vehicle in which people rode.
Rice. 3. Demitrodont and the man cleaning it
Commenting on Fig. 3 (SID, p. 124), Sidorov notes: “ Paleontologists believe that demitrodonts lived on Earth in the Triassic period of the Mesozoic era" Quite possible. Now I’m interested in something else: what kind of inscriptions are there. First of all, there is again an inscription on the background above the tail. It is so thin that it would be very difficult for me to reproduce it as a signature, and I will read the first two words written on one line: KAT YARA. This is a repeat of what I read above, so the word KAT was read correctly. But now I would like to go further and read the inscriptions on the clay figurine itself. This turned out to be possible because right in front of the man’s left hand there is a clearly visible letter P, and to the left of it is a less obvious letter P. As a result, you can read the word YARA.
Another word CAT, is read under the dinosaur tooth closest to the person’s face and the next one. So the words that were first read in the background behind the figurine are now found on the figurine itself. And on the man’s back there is a vertical inscription, which should be turned 90 degrees to the right. Then you can read the words YARA MARY and the beginning of the expected word TEMPLE). Usually, the products of the Temple of Mary were those things that were placed on the dead so that they would go with their owners to the next world. So my idea of the museum may not be entirely correct here: it is possible that Julsrud came across burial chambers where traditional objects of funeral cult are presented.
Completely unexpected for me was the discovery of an image of a man on the body of a dinosaur, above the hand of a relief man and below his chin. Careful copying of this image showed that the face is shown in profile, turned to the left, and is much closer in outline to the face of a modern person than the face of a little man. He has a large fleshy nose, thin lips of a wide mouth, a sharp chin, no mustache and beard (the man is clean-shaven), but what completely knocks him out of the saddle is that the little man is wearing modern-looking GLASSES on his nose, and in front of his stand-up collar is a BOW TIE! But as a headdress, a figurine of a lying lion is used - a symbol of Rod or Yar, and the word is written in front of the lion and on its head YAR! I have never seen such an image of the god Yar before!
But this image is another confirmation of the cult nature of the find. God Yar is depicted here in both human and animal forms. Moreover, each image is very realistic: the lion is shown in full profile, and the human face is shown with all the signs of a high civilization.
First result. Having examined the first two figures, I come to the conclusion that 1) both on the figures themselves and on the background against which they were photographed, there are inscriptions; 2) these inscriptions are made in Russian; 3) they are associated with the funeral ritual; 4) they are also associated with the god Yar, having the most direct relation to him, and 5) the dinosaurs themselves, apparently, were called in that era by the word KAT, which meant MEANS FOR RIDING. Finally, 6) civilization, judging by Yar’s portrait, was in no way inferior to ours: men shaved their faces, wore glasses, stand-up collars and bow ties.
Rice. 4. Herbivorous dinosaur
Continued research. In Fig. 4 depicts a creature that is characterized by Sidorov as follows: “ Clay figurine of a herbivorous dinosaur reaching for a tree branch. Apparently an iguanodon"(SID, p. 123). Here I see two inscriptions - opposite the first and opposite the fourth dinosaur teeth (counting from above). They form the inscription already familiar to us: YARA WORLD. However the head itself also contains two inscriptions which I read as KAT YARA. Now I no longer have the slightest doubt that all dinosaurs at one time were called the word KAT.
Rice. 5. Elasmosaurus
And here Sidorov gives a more extensive description: “ Image of a long-necked elasmosaurus. The animal climbed ashore. It looks like it's basking in the sun"(SID, p. 123). To be honest, I don’t see the shore here, nor do I see the sunbathing pose. However, there are inscriptions here too. In the middle part of the neck one can find a very deformed face of a man, turned ¾ to the left, whose eyes, as well as his nose, form the inscriptions YARA KAT. These phrases have now become very familiar.
Rice. 6. Unknown Dinosaur Species
Regarding Fig. 6 Sidorov notes: “An unknown species of dinosaur” (SID, p. 125). I'm interested in the inscriptions on the background above the neck that read WORLD OF MARA, as well as inscriptions on the neck itself: MARA YARA And MARY YARA KAT. It follows from this that not all dinosaurs were Yar’s vehicles; there were also Mara’s kats, but in the WORLD OF MARA. Thus, apparently, these were dinosaurs of a different, earlier era. Although this is just a guess for now.
Rice. 7. One of the images from the site http://news.students.ru/index.php?newsid=2318
A rare case of matching. Now I would like to compare the black and white image of one of the figures with the color one. It is immediately clear that a black and white image has much more contrast than a color image, and therefore allows you to identify faint inscriptions without much visual strain. Both images were taken from the Internet, so I had no part in getting a more contrasting picture. From this comparison it is clear that in some cases black and white photography provides the epigraphist with more research opportunities than color photography. She doesn’t add anything new “from herself”, or “from the camera”, or, especially, “from the photographer”. Like a microscope that magnifies a small image, such photography enhances contrast, helping a person enhance faintly visible signs.
So, I start reading. Above the left upper leg I read the words YARA MARY TEMPLE. We have already encountered this kind of inscription. Next I read the inscription on the back MIMA MARY- she says that this figurine was used as a sacred attribute by Mima Mara. There is also an inscription in this place, light on dark, which is appropriate to read in reverse color - the word is read WORKSHOP(most likely Mary). Just below the word is written in wide letters HARM(TEMPLE), and then - a previously unknown inscription U KATA YANAKA, that is, TEMPLE AT THE YOUTH DINOSAUR. It is possible that temples were also dedicated to dinosaurs. - There is also a separate inscription here CAT.
At the base of the left hind leg, a full-face image of a man’s head can be identified, tilted to the right. The eyes are open, the mustache and beard are very thick. Interestingly, this part is very poorly visible in a color photograph. There is an inscription on the right eye YAR, which is visible even in a color image, although here it is not very contrasting. The inscriptions at the base of the left front leg are written vertically, and when they are turned to the right to a horizontal position, they form the words MASK OF YAR. This is very important information: it is now clear that KAT (dinosaur) was a clay icon of Yar. I note that on the midline of the tail in the color image there is a similar inscription, completely undetectable in black and white (everything looks too black there). The inscription reads: YARA MASK. Thus, we can assume that this word is read confidently.
Finally, there is a fragment on the front of the dinosaur's left foreleg where the inscriptions are best read in reversed color. One of them is: KATY YAR. It follows from it that there were many such figurines depicting the zoomorphic face of Yar.
Rice. 8. Figurine of a man with a small dinosaur
Alternate History Laboratory
I borrowed the following figure from an image on the website of the Alternative History Laboratory, where an attempt was made to communicate with the custodians of these figures. I will provide excerpts about the trip there below, but for now I will comment on the image itself. Here we see an image of a seated woman holding a small dinosaur in her arms. Of course, there are inscriptions on the figure.
The first inscription I read is on the woman’s dress above the dinosaur: MAKEUP WORKSHOP. It means that these objects were considered works of art at one time. You can read the words above the woman's very wide mouth YARA MARY TEMPLE. This is a designation of the place where this figurine was used. You can see the inscription near the lips and on the teeth WORLD OF YAR, MASK. So this image was also an icon.
Rice. 9. Another image of the same figure
Just in case, I present another image of the same figurine to show that it is no longer possible to read the inscriptions on it. The figurine was photographed without a flash and small details on it cannot be identified. Thus, you can understand that even a color image is not suitable in every case. There is also another figurine of a dinosaur with a strange-looking man.
Rice. 10. A dinosaur figurine with scales similar to tree bark
On another figurine of a dinosaur with scales similar to tree bark, you can read a number of inscriptions: KAT, SE YARA KAT And YARA KAT. We have already encountered all these words and phrases.
Let us now move on to the descriptive part of the same article, published on the Laboratory website http://lah.ru/expedition/mexico2007/acambaro2007.htm.
Trip to Mexico. « The goal was known in advance: a local museum that houses the collection of Waldemar Julsrud, which is still considered a fake or forgery in the academic community (for details and details on the collection, see the corresponding page of the Laboratory Photo Bank). It's all because of the dinosaurs, which in the collection are not only next to humans, but also interact with them.
Since, to be on the safe side, we found the museum the evening after our arrival, the next day its director, Miguel, was already waiting for us in the morning. Apparently, the peculiarities of life and the dissemination of information in a small town had an impact. Or maybe Miguel is surprised that his museum is known even somewhere in distant Russia... Filming through glass is an unpleasant and ineffective thing. But Miguel turned out to be a very approachable person, and after a while we were already unscrewing the display cases with all our might and pulling out ancient figurines into the light (being afraid, of course, of breaking something). In the midst of the work of unwinding the display cases and photographing their contents, a representative of the local municipality (whose department runs the museum) suddenly appeared. Having met us, he calmed down, and then went away for a while and returned with some items from his private collection - only to brag, since he categorically refused to sell anything. We were most attracted by a ceramic vessel in the shape of a winged dragon, as well as a jade figurine of the god of fire, on the underside of which traces of... tubular drilling were clearly visible!!!
Towards the end of the day, what we had hoped for and secretly expected finally happened: Miguel began to take out figurines from the “bins”. However, the “bins” consisted of entire floors of simple plastic boxes standing in his office (after all, the collection numbers about 20 thousand pieces!).
We already considered our task completed one hundred percent (especially since Miguel gave us a fragment of one of the figurines for analysis in Russia). But at a friendly dinner together, it suddenly became clear that Miguel was ready the next day not only to show us the place where the figurines that now make up the collection were found, but also to give us the opportunity to try our luck ourselves, since he had official permission to excavate. No sooner said than done. After dinner we stopped at the store for entrenching tools, and in the morning we rushed to the place right at dawn. The beautiful half stayed at the hotel - after all, it was a holiday on March 8 (but later they still joined us, waving their pick and shovel, not without pleasure).
At about 10 am, representatives of local law enforcement appeared, interested in the fact that someone was digging up something in their sight. They politely greeted us, took photographs of the holes we had dug and retreated, quite satisfied with Miguel’s explanation that “crazy gringos are looking for dinosaurs”...
Of course, it’s difficult to hope for success right away. Unfortunately, no dinosaurs could be found. But ceramics and pieces of obsidian fell as if from a cornucopia. By noon they had accumulated several kilograms. The most successful find was a piece of a ceramic figurine - a human torso, which we took with us as being of no historical value for archaeologists and historians...»
Well done A.Yu. Sklyarov and A.V. Zhukov, who were able to photograph part of the collection directly to museums, and brought some fragments for research!
Research of collection materials. http://lah.ru/expedition/mexico2009/an2.htm. " The collection of sculptures collected by Waldemar Julsrud and stored in the Mexican city of Acambaro is the subject of active interdisciplinary debate among historians, archaeologists, art historians and representatives of other fields of knowledge on the Internet (Yandex provides a link to more than 1,500 pages of sites where this topic is discussed, and the English language Google finds over 2,600 pages for the name Waldemar Julsrud).
The subject of controversy is the authenticity of the collection, as it contains exhibits depicting various types of dinosaurs and compositions in which people interact with dinosaurs.
However, no serious natural scientific arguments have yet been presented in support of the version of falsification - assessments have been made and are being made on the basis of the “incomparability” of the collection items with the artifacts of this region of Mesoamerica known to historians and archaeologists, and the vast majority of specialists participating in the discussion have never had deals directly with collection items.
All the more significant and interesting is the information from the expedition of A. Sklyarov and A. Zhukov, which appeared as a result of studying the collection on site (in the Voldemar Dzhulsrud Museum in Acambaro on March 15 - 27, 2009) and the subsequent study of some of the brought samples using semi-quantitative electronic methods. probe analysis using EDS and X-ray powderogram in the laboratory of the Mineralogical Museum. A.E.Fersman RAS. The electron probe analysis method is one of the varieties of X-ray fluorescence analysis and is characterized by a special method of exciting fluorescent radiation using an electron beam. The author of the study characterizes the advantages of using this method as follows: “In this context, it is important that the locality of the electron probe method is very high and at least an order of magnitude higher than when excited by X-rays (even the current best devices with X-ray capillary optics have a spot diameter on the target more than 5 µm)".
One of the samples analyzed is a figurine of an unknown animal (Fig. 1). The researcher describes it as follows: “General view of a ceramic figurine (length 18 cm). White discolorations are visible on the left paw, neck and head.".
As a result of the study, the following conclusion was made: “ This estimate—several hundred years—can be accepted as a lower limit on the lifetime of efflorescence on the surface of samples from Acambaro, consistent with experimental data on instrumental analysis of these samples (see Note below).
Thus, the question of falsification of the Dzhulsrud collection can be considered closed, and the attention of researchers should be focused on a meaningful explanation of the composition of this collection.
In this regard, it is necessary to keep in mind the Everettian interpretation of this phenomenon as the gluing together of some branches of the alterverse, expressed in the work and supported by A. Zhukov and A. Sklyarov, who are currently the most qualified and most informed researchers of this historical mystery».
In other words, the collection dates back at least several hundred years, and at most 4 thousand years.
Dinosaur Drivers. Arguments and facts No. 17, dated April 23, 2008. Here is a short excerpt from this article. " At the turn of the 60s and 70s, several exhibits from the Dzhulsrud collection were sent for examination to US universities. The results were amazing: one figurine was made in the middle of the 5th, another - at the beginning of the 3rd, and two more - in the middle and end of the 2nd millennium BC! The ancient sculptors, of course, did not intend to fool their descendants.
About 15 years ago, the remains of sauropods with conical spines on their backs were first found in the United States, which was a small discovery. And in the Dzhulsrud collection, figurines of this particular type of lizard with pointed backs have been kept for half a century. This means that they sculpted animals from life, and giant dinosaurs did not go extinct 65 million years ago, but were contemporaries of the ancient Americans.
But why did people sculpt lizards?
Self-portraits of intelligent reptiles. Anticipating an impending natural disaster and inevitable death, the indigenous inhabitants of America (and they, let me remind you, knew astronomy excellently and created a calendar more accurate than ours, the Gregorian) could leave a memory of themselves and the life around them. Or representatives of an advanced civilization who lived in the territory of ancient Mexico engaged in genetic experiments to breed unprecedented creatures. One of the preliminary phases of this work is the recording of those species that existed in nature.
Finally, a completely fantastic hypothesis: what if these lizards were intelligent and the giant cities built in the New World were their work? Why not? Exploring Mexico and neighboring countries, our correspondent came to the conclusion that before Columbus landed on the lands of the New World, in addition to the Indians, there lived representatives of all races existing on the planet. And they were so developed that they knew how to perform, for example, brain surgery. About this in the next report from Central America».
About the film. Let's now move on to the Internet. This is what a certain Lomeiko writes on 08/02/2008 on the website http://www.evangelie.ru/forum/t46864.html regarding the film that he watched on the website http://depositfiles.com/files/6894413. " Very interesting film. "Mexican Dinotopia" - a collection of figurines by Waldemar Julsrud. A Mexican research scientist dug up a collection of 35,000 (!) clay figurines of people, animals and dinosaurs, and not a single one is the same (Julsrud donated his entire fortune for this - 70,000 pesos or $8,500 at the modern exchange rate). The director of the museum has not even familiarized himself with the entire collection - most of the specimens are in boxes. This collection has been carefully kept under wraps because it challenges the very idea that dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago. The collections are approximately 5-6 thousand years old. Falsification is excluded - no one will sculpt 35,000 different figures and bury them in the ground for the sake of cheap sensation. This, of course, does not yet prove or disprove anything in the questions of “evolution-creation,” but it is still a serious claim that humans and dinosaurs lived side by side at the same time, and relatively “recently.” The good thing about the film is that it was created by secular scientists and they themselves question the “sacred cow” of evolution. No modernism, no creationism. Just a very interesting popular science film. I advise you to download, watch and discuss».
Sklyarov's opinion . « As a result of quite a long reflection on the comments that could be provided with the photographs given in the report, Andrei Zhukov and I came to the decision not to give any comments at all. Let everyone draw conclusions and generalizations for themselves. But we, on the contrary, would like not so much to express our own as to hear the opinion of others.
I would just like to draw your attention to some details of the collection:
- a very significant number of images of animals with only two limbs, which can be both front and rear (although there is a figurine of a dragon/dinosaur even with six legs!);
- quite a large number of figurines have a salt patina, which indirectly indicates their venerable age and refutes the version of falsification;
- in some figurines, crystals of salt have emerged on the broken parts, which indicates that these figurines were not only made, but also damaged quite a long time ago;
- the creator (or creators) of the figures clearly had a sense of humor...».
Discussion
As you can see, there are several versions about the mysterious figurines: 1) these are the fantasies of schoolchildren of the Bronze Age, 2) these are casts from life of those dinosaurs that still lived side by side with people of the Bronze Age, 3) these are casts from life of ancient dinosaurs, whose figurines were selected in the Bronze Age as a result of excavations of more ancient burials, 4) these are sketches of Indian genetic laboratories for breeding new species of intelligent living beings.
I believe, however, that none of these versions is correct. I began my epigraphic research with the assumption that we are dealing with museum exhibits that convey the appearance of creatures of the distant past. As a result of the research, I did not change my initial view much, although the concept of a museum again merged with the temples of the Vedic gods.
What did my readings show? First of all, we are again talking about a single world written culture, which preceded the Indian one and which had the Russian language and the runes of the Family as its written language. In other words, my assumptions that almost before antiquity the Russian language was the single world language (even in the presence of already emerging local languages) received another powerful confirmation.
Further, it turned out that on all the figures on which it was possible to identify written signs, they were talking about the same Russian gods that I talk about in almost every article of mine - about Mokoshi, Mara and Yara. And about their temples. Thus, these data fully correlate with the results of the discovery in Latin America of geoglyphs signed in Russian and conveying the names of the temples of Russian Vedic gods. In this sense, I did not expect anything else.
But there was also a new element in these readings. First of all, it turned out that the dinosaur figures were MASKS, that is, icons of deities. In this sense, it was very interesting to learn that the earliest zoomorphic hypostasis of Yar turned out to be a dinosaur. With all my imagination, I could not have imagined this; the inscriptions convinced me of this.
Continuing these analogies further, I can assume that the plot of “Mara with the baby Yar” already existed then, and Fig. 8 precisely conveys this sacred image. For Mara is embodied here in her anthropomorphic hypostasis, and little Yar is embodied in the zoomorphic hypostasis of a dinosaur.
Further, on all the figures I was able to read only one new word that served to designate a dinosaur - the word KAT. I interpret this word as a monomorpheme, conveying a root, with the meaning of “a creature that can be ridden.” Moreover, it seems to me that this word in the Russian language over time became pronounced and turned into the word GAD - a collective designation for any reptiles. In any case, the appearance of an ancient, now forgotten Russian word is a small victory in terms of collecting very ancient words that have fallen out of use.
Now we can return to determining the purpose of these figures. I believe what we are talking about is that Julsrud found several temples from different eras, for example, the temples of Mary and the temples of Yar, where there were a variety of clay icons. I note that clay icons even survived into Christianity, and depicted saints either in reliefs or engravings. And the most important subjects, such as the crucifixion, could also be made in the form of a figurine.
As you know, the traditions of icon painting are the most rigid and are preserved for a very long time. Therefore, I do not have the impression that these figures were sculpted from life in the Bronze Age. However, I have the impression that the canons of depicting dinosaurs could well have survived into the Bronze Age, since these creatures were considered zoomorphic forms of gods. The question of whether people coexisted with dinosaurs at the same time, or whether they were attributed divine properties when their skeletons were found or even their carcasses preserved in particularly favorable conditions, remains open to me. After all, just as for northern hunters it was a miracle that mammoths thawed from the permafrost layer, so for our ancestors of the Neolithic or Bronze Age it was a miracle to see the numerous preserved remains of ancient reptiles. And they could well be attributed divine properties, that is, identified with gods. In particular, this is evidenced by the presence of only one name for all their different varieties - KAT. If people lived side by side with them, then each of their species would receive its own name.
